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		<title>Dyer&#8217;s cruise in to family history</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Confirmation has arrived that Alice Hill, Fred&#8217;s grandmother, was born as Alice Dyer. This provide a crucial link to the Dyer family &#8211; who, born in Stratford on Avon &#8211; worked on canal boats during the 19th Century. The first trace of Thomas Dyer is in the 1841 Census when he is listed as a [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-left: 1pt"><a href="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/birth-ada-hill.jpg" title="Ada Hill Birth Certificate"><img src="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/birth-ada-hill-150x150.jpg" alt="Ada Hill Birth Certificate" /></a></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Confirmation has arrived that Alice Hill, Fred&#8217;s grandmother, was born as Alice Dyer. This provide a crucial link to the Dyer family &#8211; who, born in Stratford on Avon &#8211; worked on canal boats during the 19th Century.</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 1pt">The first trace of Thomas Dyer is in the 1841 Census when he is listed as a &#8216;boatman&#8217; working at Old Stratford, Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire. Next to his name in the left margin of the census is the word &#8220;William&#8221; &#8211; presumably the boat on which he was working.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Thomas&#8217;s age is listed as 20 &#8211; although he was actually born in 1820. Enumerators working on the census were instructed to round <em>down</em> ages to the nearest five years.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">The Census data reads:</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt"><strong>1841 Old Stratford, Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire<br />
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<p style="margin-left: 55pt">William( in margin)Thomas Dyer, 20, Boatman</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Thomas seems to have been staying on the boat alone as no others are listed within the household.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">By 1851, as we would expect from a boatman, the family is on the move.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Thomas has married Hannah and they have four children listed as being born at Middx (Middlesex?), Buckinhums (sic, Buckinghamshire) and Thestfords (?). Thomas and Hannah&#8217;s birth places are listed as not known which suggests that whoever was giving the enumerator the data, it was NOT one of these two. Sadly the name of the boat is not recorded.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt"><strong>1851 Paddington, All Saints, Marylebone<br />
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<p style="margin-left: 28pt"><strong>Canal South Way<br />
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<p style="margin-left: 55pt">Thomas Dyer,31, Head, Canal boatman, not known</p>
<p style="margin-left: 55pt">Hannah Dyer, 29, Wife, not known</p>
<p style="margin-left: 55pt">William Dyer, 8, Son, Mddx</p>
<p style="margin-left: 55pt">Frederick Dyer, 6, Son, Middx</p>
<p style="margin-left: 55pt">Sarh Dyer 2, daughter, Buckinhums</p>
<p style="margin-left: 55pt">Emma Dyer 3 months, daughter, Thestfords</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">By 1861 the family are now on &#8220;The Leeds&#8221; at Marsworth, Buckinghamshire</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Alice, Fred&#8217;s grandmother, has now been born.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Thomas Dyer, Head, Married, 41, Master, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Hannah Dyer, Wife, Married, 40, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Frederick Dyer, Son, 16, Mater, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Elizabeth Dyer, Daughter, 9, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Alice Dyer, daughter, 7, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Thomas Dyer, Son, 4, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Joseph Dyer, Son, 2, Warwick, Stratford on Avon</p>
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<p style="margin-left: 1pt"><img src="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/061509-1213-dyerscruise1.jpg" /><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt"><br />
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<p style="margin-left: 1pt"><em>The canal at Marsworth, Buckinghamshire (grev16, Google Earth)</em><br />
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<p style="margin-left: 1pt">By 1871, the last Census before Alice married Arthur Hill, the family is moored at Tardibigge. Alice, though, is not present and despite searches I cannot find where she is. The rest of the family on the Leeds are:</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Thomas Dyer, Head, Married, 50, Captain of Canal Boat, Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Hannah Dyer, Wife, Married, 49, Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Thomas Dyer, Son, Unmarried 14 , Apprentice (?), Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Charles H Dyer, Son, Unmarried, 8 Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Waller Dyer, Son, unmarried, 4 Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Perhaps a clue to the location of 14 years old Alice is that also at Tardebigge, a few boats away, are some more Dyers:</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Francis Dyer, Heard, Married, 24, Captain of canl both, Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">Emma Jane Dyer, Married 20,Worcester, Stratford on Avon</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">William Dyer, Unmarried, 16, Assistant</p>
<p style="margin-left: 28pt">John Learson, 14, Assistant</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1pt">Could it be that she has been left with relatives?</p>
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		<title>Map: Meredith and Hill movements 1841-1911</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Sunter]]></dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Ada Keziah Meredith (Hill)]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ann Badger]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Edward Meredith (1876)]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Joseph Meredith]]></category>

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		<title>1871 Census &#8211; Joseph has married Isabella</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Sunter]]></dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[1871]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[  1871 Census..now in the post office at Lodge Green William Sunter, 47, head, Gunnerside, , 1824, Grocer , Draper and postmaster Hannah Sunter, 46, wife, Yorks, Melbecks, abt 1825, Grocer&#8217;s wife Thomas Sunter, 16, son, Gunnerside, abt 1845, Lead miner William Sunter,19, son, Gunnerside, abt 1852, Lead ore washer George Sunter, 17, son, Gunnerside, [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1871-census-joseph-p2-web.jpg" title="1871 Census page 2"><img src="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1871-census-joseph-p2-web-150x150.jpg" alt="1871 Census page 2" /></a><a href="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1871-census-joseph-p1-web.jpg" title="1871 Census page 1"><img src="http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/1871-census-joseph-p1-web-150x150.jpg" alt="1871 Census page 1" /></a> </p>
<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">1871 Census..now in the post office at Lodge Green</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">William Sunter, 47, head, Gunnerside, , 1824, Grocer , Draper and postmaster</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Hannah Sunter, 46, wife, Yorks, Melbecks, abt 1825, Grocer&#8217;s wife</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Thomas Sunter, 16, son, Gunnerside, abt 1845, Lead miner</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">William Sunter,19, son, Gunnerside, abt 1852, Lead ore washer</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">George Sunter, 17, son, Gunnerside, abt 1854, Lead ore washer</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Mally Sunter, 12, daughter, Gunnerside, abt 1859, scholar</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Ann Sunter ,10, daughter, Gunnerside, scholar</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Clearly the same family as in 1861.  What has happened now is that Joseph has gone and got himself married to Isabella.  Isabella and Joseph are now lodging together with the rest of the Sunter family:</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Joseph Sunter, 22, lodger, married, Lead miner</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Isabella Sunter, 20, lodger, married, lead miner&#8217;s wife, Yorkshire Grinton, abt 1851</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt">Joseph and Isabella Guy got married during the last quarter of 1870.</p>
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