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		<title>Charles Sunter &#8211; naval hero and loving father?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Found Charles Sunter&#8217;s naval records today. Contained one or two surprises:1. Charles joined naval reserve as early as November 1909.2. Enlisted the day before war broke out in 1914.3. Served on patrol in the North Sea (HMS Gibraltar), laying mines (HMS Orvieto), on a depot ship (HMS Mars) at Invergordon and on HMS Inflexible at [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;">Found Charles Sunter&#8217;s naval records today. Contained one or two surprises:</span><br style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;" /><br style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;" /><span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;">1. Charles joined naval reserve as early as November 1909.</span><br style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;" /><span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;">2. Enlisted the day before war broke out in 1914.</span><br style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;" /><span style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;">3. Served on patrol in the North Sea (HMS Gibraltar), laying mines (HMS Orvieto), on a depot ship (HMS Mars) at Invergordon and on HMS Inflexible at the conclusion of the war.</span><br style="color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;" /><span class="text_exposed_show" style="display: inline; color: #333333; font-family: 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: left;">4. He was on HMS Inflexible when the German fleet was surrendered at Scapa Flow.<br />5. Demobbed in 1919 he continued as a reservist until November 1929. For much of the 1920s he was unemployed.<br />6. During the 1920s he was living at 14 Brunswick Street, Stockton on Tees, ear to where Lofty was born (also in Brunswick Street).<br />7. 5 feet 9 inches tall, brown hair, blue eyes and a butterfly tattoo and &#8216;fresh&#8217; complexion. Chest 36&#8243;.</p>
<p>Charles was given 36 days detention at the end of 1917 for going on the run from Invergordon. He left on 11th November 1917 and was apprehended on 9th December 1917.</p>
<p>Interesting date. I wonder what happened right in the middle of that period? Perhaps he was a supportive husband and loving father after all?</span></p>
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		<title>Fred&#8217;s memories: Jennifer Tennant</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[During the early part of the war Jennifer Tennant and her cousin came to stay at Cecil Street as evacuees from London.  They didn&#8217;t stay very long, Fred thinks about five months. Jennifer was Agnes Hill&#8217;s grand daughter. Agnes had married William Batt in 1909, shortly (er…yes that shortly!) before having a daughter, Winifred. Winifred [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the early part of the war Jennifer Tennant and her cousin came to stay at Cecil Street as evacuees from London.  They didn&#8217;t stay very long, Fred thinks about five months.</p>
<p>Jennifer was Agnes Hill&#8217;s grand daughter.</p>
<p>Agnes had married William Batt in 1909, shortly (er…yes that shortly!) before having a daughter, Winifred.</p>
<p>Winifred married George Tenant in 1932 and appear to have Shirley J. Tennant in 1934 &#8211; so I think this must be Jennifer.</p>
<p>Fred remembers that Jennifer has curly hair, just like Shirley Temple, and that she appeared on the front of several magazines.  She also thinks Jennifer married a Dr Foster, but I&#8217;m struggling to find a record of this.</p>
<p>In 1947 Winifred gave birth to a second child &#8211; Malcolm Tennant.</p>
<p>I remember Malcolm.  He served on the Ark Royal and visited with Aunt Aggie (his grandmother) in c1971.  He was an Arsenal fan and took Adrian and I to see West Brom v Arsenal at the Hawthorns.  He proudly stood with his Arsenal scarf on in the middle of the Albion fans in the Brummie Road end &#8211; not a sensible thing to do in those days of skin heads and football violence.  Nevertheless he brazened it out and there was not trouble.  Probably they Albion fans were brassed off as the Arsenal won 2-0 (I think).</p>
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		<title>1745 WINNALL William and OLDNALL Phoebe marriage</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1745 WINNALL William and OLDNALL Phoebe marriage, a photo by timsunter on Flickr. Edward Hill, Fred&#8217;s great grandfather married Mary Ann Winnall. Mary Ann Winnall&#8217;s line can be traced back through the Oldswinford registers to this entry. A marriage of William Winnall to Phoebe Oldnall in 1745. If this William Winnall is the same William [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Edward Hill, Fred&#8217;s great grandfather married Mary Ann Winnall. </p>
<p>Mary Ann Winnall&#8217;s line can be traced back through the Oldswinford registers to this entry.  A marriage of William Winnall to Phoebe Oldnall in 1745.</p>
<p>If this William Winnall is the same William Winnall who came from Wolverley then there is a link to the Vernon family.  The Vernon&#8217;s built Hanbury Hall and their line can be traced all the way back to a French knight who came over with William The Conquerer.</p>
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		<title>Phone call with Hill cousins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was a long shot.  A journey to London had discovered Auntie Phylis&#8217;s will from 1980.  Could it be that those named as executors were alive, well and living at the same address as 30 years ago?  If so would they have any photographs, or knowledge of the missing family postcards? A quick search of [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a long shot.  A journey to London had discovered Auntie Phylis&#8217;s will from 1980.  Could it be that those named as executors were alive, well and living at the same address as 30 years ago?  If so would they have any photographs, or knowledge of the missing family postcards?</p>
<p>A quick search of 192.com showed that amazingly both executors &#8211; Dennis Reyolds and Ronald Hatton were both still living at the same address.  The website also usefully listed their phone numbers.</p>
<p>Tentatively I called the first number: Dennis.  </p>
<p>It must be odd receiving a call out of the blue from someone you don&#8217;t know talking about your family history.  After an explanation of who I was and why I was calling Dennis put me on to his wife, Margaret as &#8220;…she&#8217;ll be the one you want to talk to&#8221;.</p>
<p>It transpires that Margaret is Fred&#8217;s cousin.  The daughter of (Henry) Edward Hill &#8211; Fred&#8217;s mother&#8217;s brother.  So Margaret would be Fred&#8217;s cousin.  </p>
<p>Margaret thought that her daughter may have some of the photographs, but that she didn&#8217;t have anything.  However, her sister Joan, may know more as she was the one who helped clear out Phylis&#8217;s house when she died.  </p>
<p>Margaret was right.  Joan did know a lot more.</p>
<p>Gertie had the family bible (I wonder if that still exists &#8211; need to ring Martyn and find out).  But Joan still does have a number of family items &#8211; including  photos of her grandparents  (Alfred and Alice Hill) &#8211; one with Alice sat on a chair wearing a long dress with Alfred standing protectively near her; another had the some of the family standing outside Greyfields, Kinver: grandmother and children, one of whom Joan assumes was her father, although she&#8217;s not sure which one.</p>
<p>Joan also had a medal which had been awarded to Auntie May from Dodford school for 100% attendance over a whole year.</p>
<p>She remembered Walter (&#8220;…a miserable bugger&#8221;) but had no idea that he&#8217;d had an illicit child.  There was someone else in the family who was never mentioned.  I wonder what his &#8216;crime&#8217; had been?</p>
<p>Other gossip included Phylis being very friendly with Alfie Burford, a relationship her mother discouraged.  After Uncle Oliver died she became very close to him again.</p>
<p>Joan wanted to know if it was true there were any canal boat people in her family.  I confirmed this and talked about the Dyers.  Apparently Margaret her sister is quite horrified at this &#8211; being of the view that canal workers were like water gypsies!  </p>
<p>Did I know if Alice had a brother, Floyd, who was a blacksmith at Burcot?  I&#8217;ve not heard of this before but it will be worth looking into.</p>
<p>Then, intriguingly, she said something along the lines of there was a &#8220;Hill&#8221; who worked at Pipers Hill farm and a rich man called Vernon.  Auntie May had said that they were related.  This is the first family mention I&#8217;ve had of the Vernon link, although Steve Winall and Wendy Walmsley have long thought there was a link.  I must follow this up.</p>
<p>When the house was cleared out some of the things, including a few postcards, were given to Joan&#8217;s niece, Margaret&#8217;s daughter.  Joan said she would get in touch and get back to me and we thought it would be a good idea to meet up and share resources.</p>
<p>Footnote:</p>
<p>When researching the Hill family 1891 Census entry at Greyfields, where Alfred was a bailiff, I noticed that also living there at the time was a Game Keeper.  The led me to look back a page to see if there was anyone else living there at the time.  There wasn&#8217;t, but to my surprise there was my Meredith relatives living in Compton Road.  Edward and Ada must surely have know each other.  Perhaps they were even at school together?  I wonder how I could find out.  </p>
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<p>Interestingly, as the families lived here in 1891, they must surely have been scandalised by the Wolverley Murder!</p>
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		<title>1962 family video &#8211; playing in the garden at Wentworth Road</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adrian and Jen coming home from school walking along Wentworth Road. Jen in classic Stourbridge Girls High School uniform. Then playing in garden on the see-saw/roundabout. Adrian Sunter ahead of his time in Bay City Roller trousers, Graham Hodgets (?) wearing a hoodie and Megan Holmes. John Tipper also there? Tim wielding stick to know [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian and Jen coming home from school walking along Wentworth Road.  Jen in classic Stourbridge Girls High School uniform.</p>
<p>Then playing in garden on the see-saw/roundabout.  Adrian Sunter ahead of his time in Bay City Roller trousers, Graham Hodgets (?) wearing a hoodie and Megan Holmes.  John Tipper also there? Tim wielding stick to know Graham off see-saw.  Oh the fun we had.</p>
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		<title>1965 Gymnastics at 31 Chawn Hill</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jen, Adrain and Tim perform gymnastics in the garden of a new house in Chawn Hill. This would be c1965. I can still do the back bends today.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, Adrain and Tim perform gymnastics in the garden of a new house in Chawn Hill.  This would be c1965.  I can still do the back bends today.</p>
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		<title>1964ish holidays at New Quay in Wales on what is now the Quay West caravan site</title>
		<link>http://www.tim-sunter-family-history.me.uk/?p=329</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the summers the West Midlands used to decamp down to New Quay in Wales. This film shows the Hengell Caravan site with shots across the bay to the town itself. The site is now the Quay West Holiday resort. The shots have Fred outside the family caravan, Jen riding on her bike, our dog [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> In the summers the West Midlands used to decamp down to New Quay in Wales.  This film shows the Hengell Caravan site with shots across the bay to the town itself.  The site is now the Quay West Holiday resort.</p>
<p>The shots have Fred outside the family caravan, Jen riding on her bike, our dog Lassie being walked by Tim with Jen holding David Richie and Chris Richie playing cricket.  </p>
<p>The other families I remember are the Andrews who had a steel factory in Stourbridge; Baldwin; Richie; Loverock who owned the garage in Brierley Hill.  The Griffiths family had a caravan on the top field.</p>
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		<title>Family videos: 1963 at 32 Wentworth Road</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jen, Adrian and Tim playing in the garden with Lassie.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen, Adrian and Tim playing in the garden with Lassie.</p>
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		<title>Time to restart blogging</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gosh, it&#8217;s been a long time since I&#8217;ve posted on this blog.  Lot&#8217;s of things have been happening: new relatives have been found and exciting stories (to me at least) have been discovered.  So it&#8217;s time to share.  Watch this space over the next few weeks for updates.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, it&#8217;s been a long time since I&#8217;ve posted on this blog.  Lot&#8217;s of things have been happening: new relatives have been found and exciting stories (to me at least) have been discovered.  So it&#8217;s time to share.  Watch this space over the next few weeks for updates.</p>
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		<title>William and Alice Dyer: Great, great, great grandparents</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Thomas Dyer and Hannah Gardner&#8217;s marriage certificate we know that Tomas&#8217;s father&#8217;s name was William. A search of the Warwickshire Country Archive for Staffordshire revealed these entries in the baptism register:   1821 07 15 Thomas William William and Alice Dyer Labourer   1823 09 28 Elizabeth William and Alice Dyer Labourer   1830 [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Thomas Dyer and Hannah Gardner&#8217;s marriage certificate we know that Tomas&#8217;s father&#8217;s name was William.</p>
<div>A search of the Warwickshire Country Archive for Staffordshire revealed these entries in the baptism register:</div>
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<td width="84" height="20">1821 07 15</td>
<td width="107" height="20">Thomas William</td>
<td width="196" height="20">William and Alice Dyer</td>
<td width="88" height="20">Labourer</td>
<td width="64" height="20"> </td>
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<td height="20">1823 09 28</td>
<td height="20">Elizabeth</td>
<td height="20">William and Alice Dyer</td>
<td height="20">Labourer</td>
<td height="20"> </td>
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<td height="20">1830 12 05</td>
<td height="20">William</td>
<td height="20">William and Alice Dyer</td>
<td height="20">Boatman</td>
<td height="20"> </td>
</tr>
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<div>From this record a search on Ancestry for the census data revealed this:-</div>
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<div>1841  William and Alice are living in Great William Street, Old Stratford with their children William and Eliza.  Eliza, I assume, is the same as Elizabeth in the baptism register above.  William&#8217;s trade is given as &#8216;Boatman&#8217;.</div>
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<div>Great William Street still exists and crosses the canal is Stratford.</div>
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<div>1851 Still in Great William Street.  Birthplaces are given as Warwick for William (now aged 62), Stretton on Dunsmore, Warwickshire for Alice (now aged 72).  William, their son is still living his parents.  William&#8217;s occupation is given as &#8216;relief from Union Boatman &#8211; as is his wife and son.</div>
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<div>The age gap is given as 10 years between William and his older wife.</div>
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<div>Staying with the Dyers are Maria and Thomas Gardner &#8211; their grandchildren aged 10 and 3 respectively.</div>
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<div>1861 William, Alice and William are now living in Shottery, Stratford on Avon.  Their ages are given as 70, 80, and 30 respectively and occupation is &#8216;boatman&#8217;.</div>
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<div>This is the last census data I can find for William and Alice &#8211; so presumably they died before the next census in 1871.</div>
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